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1 EiMitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:11:24pm

These “6 stats” are just 6 different ways of saying the same thing: the mega-wealthy give alot of money to political candidates. So what? All the money in the world won’t make a difference for a candidate who makes people want to punch him every time he opens his mouth.

This article missed two far bigger problems.

1 - Consolidation and monopolization of lobbyists. There is pretty much just one lobbyist organization that everyone has to go through in order to lobby republican politicians. So this organization can decide who will and who won’t have material support during primaries. Having that kind of power over an entire party’s political process can’t be healthy for the party nor the nation.

2 - Gerrymandering. The problems of mega-wealthy donors and lobby monopolies could in theory be kept in check by the voting public. But the system ain’t 1 person = 1 vote. Its 1 district = 1 vote. And districts are redrawn based on how most people living there are likely to vote. So a majority opposed to the status quo can be clumped together in very few heavily populated districts, while the most fanatical supporters of the a-holes in office can be spread out in many sparsely populated districts.

We need to do something about how much power lobbyists currently have before we worry about where the money comes from. And we need to do something about gerrymandering before we worry about overpowered lobbyists.

2 Heywood Jabloeme  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:09:15pm

Money pays the lobbiest and the they intern help elect the politicians who then do the Gerrymandering.

3 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:33:54am

re: #2 Heywood Jabloeme

There were many republicans who lost the popular vote and thus should’ve lost the mid-term elections. But they were saved by redistricting.

All the money in the world couldn’t have protected their rotten careers without gerrymandering. Its that simple.

4 Heywood Jabloeme  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:36:53am

Gerrymandering is a legislative process controlled by elected politicians.

5 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:30:28am

re: #4 Heywood Jabloeme

Goodie, goodie, gumdrops! We’ve got a chicken-or-egg debate going on.

If the votes counted directly in an election, instead of only counting to which way the district votes, the status quo wouldn’t retain more power than the public allowed.

6 Heywood Jabloeme  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:00:50am

It is TOTALLY made possible by Democrats who didn’t vote in State and Local and off year elections. The results of that is now getting shoved down our throats.

7 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:56:18pm

re: #6 Heywood Jabloeme

Translation: if we had been constantly, eternally, unflinchingly vigilant, this never would’ve happened.

Thats what you’re going with? One or two bad elections are all it takes to ruin the system forever? Such frailty is proof that the system is broken by design. If you’re trying to argue that gerrymandering isn’t the biggest problem, then you’ve shot yourself in the foot. Without gerrymandering, we could’ve fixed much of the damage done in past elections by now.

Besides, democrats had also been guilty of gerrymandering in the not-at-all-distant past. They’re pretty damn corrupt too. We just don’t want to see it because they’re “the lesser of two evils.” That, and the “go team” sports-like mentality that has saturated politics. This last is a large part of why gerrymandering works so damn well.


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